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Jan 26, 2024
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How to Learn Ancient Greek: The Ranieri-Roberts Approach
Learn ancient Greek on your own? Discover why no single textbook is enough and how combining several books with a coordinated spreadsheet can make you a fluent reader.
Autodidacts who want to read ancient Greek fluently must choose among several introductory textbooks. Each book has strengths and limitations. The author argues that no single book provides enough input for language acquisition. The Ranieri-Roberts approach combines several books in one coordinated study sequence. It builds on a proposal by Jonathan Roberts, co-founder of Ancient Language Institute, to study multiple textbooks simultaneously.
The author has a professional relationship with Cultura Classica, the publisher of Alexandros, Mythologica, and Logos. The author edited the first edition of Logos and received copies of the second edition of Logos and a copy of Alexandros from the publisher. The author states an intention to assess these books impartially.
Input and Acquisition
The author bases the approach on comprehensible input. Acquisition occurs when learners understand the language in context. Grammar translation teaches learners to convert text into another language, which the author considers distinct from acquisition.
Graded readers address this problem by starting with simple texts and increasing difficulty. Most of the books reviewed use this format. However, the author states that no single graded reader provides enough repetition of vocabulary, syntax, and grammar to produce fluent reading.
Comparison of the Textbooks
| Book | Main strengths | Main limitations |
|---|---|---|
| Athenaze (English-language/Oxford edition) | Continuous narrative; graded difficulty; cultural material; progresses to Aristophanes | Glosses in English; relies on translation; no long vowels |
| Athenaze (Vivarium Novum, Italian edition) | Expanded text; illustrations; additional readings from original authors; Italian explanations | Requires Italian; added text introduces vocabulary that is not repeated; some illustrations are ambiguous |
| Alexandros (with Mythologica) | Clear illustrations; Greek-only text; short chapters; supplements Athenaze | Not fully comprehensible through context; requires dictionary use; no long vowels |
| Greek Boy at Home (Rouse) | Authentic style; sophisticated content; graded reader | Advanced for beginners; unexplained idioms and contractions; no illustrations |
| Reading Greek | Adapted literary readings; comprehensive vocabulary; accompanying grammar book | Translation-based; requires prior Greek knowledge; no long vowels |
| Thus | Entertaining, well-written dialogue; mythological narrative | Requires prior grammar and vocabulary; small font; grammar explanations are a review |
| Logos (Cultura Classica, second edition) | Beginner-focused; colorful illustrations; Greek-only text; gradual declension sequence | No continuous narrative; no long vowels; later chapters less comprehensible |
| Ancient Greek Alive | User-friendly explanations in every chapter; classroom scripts; grammar coverage | Requires coordination with other texts; no long vowels |
Individual Assessments
Athenaze
Athenaze is among the most widely used introductory books for ancient Greek. Its English-language edition presents a continuous narrative across two volumes. Each chapter introduces a grammar point after the reader encounters it in a text. The author describes this as a better method than the grammar translation approach that dominated instruction for about two centuries.
The author identifies three limitations. First, the Greek alphabet explanation in the pre-chapter is brief. Second, glosses in English encourage translation. Third, the book does not mark long vowels. The author states that the book starts with third-declension nouns and includes verbs in the third person singular and all cases in chapter 1.
The Italian edition from Vivarium Novum expands nearly every chapter. In chapter 4, the authors added a new story about a girl named Melita and her friends. The added text provides more input but introduces vocabulary that is not repeated later. The author also notes that the Italian edition's illustrations are detailed, and some are ambiguous. For example, an illustration of a sack could represent olives or coal. The Italian edition also includes companion readings, called apodan, which contain extracts from Aesop, Menander, Xenophon, Herodotus, and Apollodorus, with explanations in Italian. The author states that Italian knowledge is necessary to use these explanations.
The author has used both editions. Accordingly, the author describes Athenaze as the only book reviewed that marks long vowels.
Lingua Latina (Hans Ørberg)
The author uses Lingua Latina per se illustrata, known as Familia Romana, as the benchmark for language acquisition. The book is written entirely in Latin, with no English, Italian, or other languages. Its explanations use simple Latin sentences and illustrations. The author states that the book took decades of work by Hans Ørberg to produce.
The book works in the classroom when the teacher speaks Latin with students. It also works for autodidacts who have sufficient motivation, time, and supplementary materials. The author says that a fluent Latin speaker still needs a comprehensible system of explanation. Knowledge of the case system from Lingua Latina did not fully resolve the author's difficulties with the ancient Greek texts.
Alexandros and Mythologica
Alexandros is published by Cultura Classica. The author describes it as the closest equivalent to Familia Romana for ancient Greek. The book is written in ancient Greek only, with an introduction in English, Latin, and Spanish. Its illustrations are clearer than those in many other textbooks. It contains short chapters and uses context to convey meaning.
The author identifies two limitations. First, readers cannot understand all text through context alone and must consult a dictionary. Second, the book is designed for classroom use and is less suitable for autodidacts. The author notes that the Alexandros text contains abbreviations and that some terms are not explained until later.
Mythologica accompanies Alexandros. It contains short mythological stories about the gods, including Ares and Athena. The author states that the book's stated start point, after chapter 4 of Alexandros, is not accurate. Comfortable reading begins after chapter 6 of Alexandros, and the author recommends at least two more chapters.
Greek Boy at Home (W.H.D. Rouse)
Greek Boy at Home is a graded reader that accompanies Rouse's grammar book. Rouse wrote readers for both Greek and Latin and used the Greek language in class. The text is authentic and sophisticated, even in early chapters. The author describes it as more advanced than most other books reviewed. It uses contractions and idioms that are not explained. The author states that a teacher would be needed to explain these features. The author used the TLG database to understand some idioms.
Reading Greek
Reading Greek includes an accompanying grammar book. Its readings are adapted from Aristophanes, Plato, and Euripides, and it includes a thesaurus with additional readings in the back. Its readings include material from Heraclitus, the Bible, and a section on gravestone inscriptions. Glosses appear throughout the early chapters. The author states that the book's progression works only after readers understand the vocabulary and can read the text without consulting glosses.
The author observes that Reading Greek does not teach acquisition but teaches translation. Readers must consult external sources for unfamiliar verb forms, typically Wiktionary or a dictionary. The author describes this as a challenging but valuable approach for readers with basic knowledge.
Thus
Thus consists largely of dialogue in its first half. In chapter 1, a young boy named Tros meets Hermes, the messenger god. Hermes says that Zeus has ordered him to take Tros through Hades and introduce him to mythological figures, legends, and heroes, including Hector. The author describes the book as well written, entertaining, and humorous.
The book's grammar explanations are limited and serve as a review. The author states that readers need a teacher or prior grammar and vocabulary to use the book. The font in the book is small. The author identifies Thus as a strong option for beginners who already have basic Greek.
Logos (Cultura Classica, Second Edition)
Logos is the most recent book reviewed. The author describes it as the first beginner textbook to treat elementary ancient Greek as a discipline in its own right. Its first chapters teach the alphabet, pronunciation, capital and lowercase letters, punctuation, and spelling. Colorful illustrations accompany vocabulary, such as words for a shark, an old man, and a lion. Its first chapter introduces gods, animals, and humans. The book's exercises follow the same structure as those in Familia Romana.
The book introduces the three declensions one at a time. The author describes this sequence as a strength. The author notes that most ancient Greek books introduce multiple declensions at once. The author states that a reader needs all three declensions to read any ancient Greek text.
Logos has two main limitations. First, it does not provide a continuous narrative. It introduces topics in separate chapters, such as the planets and the solar system. Second, later chapters assume that readers understand concepts that are not clear from context. The author cites a review by Sheamus McDonald, which identifies similar problems for autodidacts. The author states that Logos was designed for classroom instruction with a skilled teacher.
The author also identifies the absence of macrons, which mark long vowels, as a major problem. The author states that the phonetic vowel length determines the morphology and grammar of ancient Greek. Learners who do not know long vowels have not fully learned the language. The author submitted corrections, including every long mark, to the first edition of Logos. The author states that the publisher can add the marks in a third edition with little effort.
Ancient Greek Alive
Ancient Greek Alive contains an introductory lesson that covers basic scripts for classroom conversation. Each chapter explains grammar in a user-friendly way. Its coverage includes declensions, accents, and agreement. The author describes the book as helpful in explaining the accent system, which requires knowledge of phonetic vowel length. The book does not mark long vowels.
Coordinating the Books
The author developed a spreadsheet that links chapters across several books by grammatical concept. The spreadsheet is publicly available in the description of the video referenced in the article's source material. The author designates the core books as Athenaze and Logos, with Alexandros as a third supporting text. The coordination focuses on verbal concepts because the author considers them the most difficult for learners.
The spreadsheet identifies the following anchors:
| Anchor | Grammatical concept | Book and chapter references |
|---|---|---|
| A | Third-person singular verbs | Athenaze ch. 1; Logos ch. 4 |
| A (continued) | Verbs in all three persons (singular) | Athenaze ch. 2; Logos review of cases |
| A (continued) | Accusative singular | Logos; Athenaze ch. 10 recommended |
| C | Participles | Athenaze ch. 8; Logos ch. 18 |
| D | Aorist (active and middle) | Athenaze; Reading Greek; Greek Boy at Home |
| E | Subjunctive | Athenaze ch. 21; Logos ch. 29 |
| F | Optative | Athenaze; Reading Greek; Greek Boy at Home |
| Perfect | Perfect mid-passive and active | Athenaze ch. 27 (mid-passive) and ch. 28 (active); Logos; Thus; Reading Greek; Greek Boy at Home |
Additional parallels include:
- Middle voice: Athenaze (early chapters), Alexandros ch. 7, and Thus ch. 4.
- Present participle: Athenaze ch. 8 and Logos ch. 18, with Reading Greek providing reinforcement.
- Present subjunctive: Alexandros and Logos.
- Aorist passive: Logos, Greek Boy at Home, Reading Greek, and Thus.
- Relative pronoun: Logos ch. 15 and Alexandros ch. 3.
- Infinitive: Logos and Alexandros, in the chapter following the relative pronoun.
The author did not coordinate vocabulary. The author states that the wide range of vocabulary in these books makes systematic coordination impractical.
The author states that Greek Boy at Home corresponds to Athenaze volume 2 and begins with chapter 2, because its chapters follow the sections of Rouse's grammar book, which has no chapter 1.
Athenaze's companion readings coordinate with its chapters. The apodan for volume 1 begin after chapter 13 and link to the book's chapters by vocabulary and grammar.
Recommended Starting Point for Ancient Greek Alive
The author suggests beginning Ancient Greek Alive around anchor A, after the first four chapters of Logos and the introduction chapter of Athenaze.
Two Ways to Apply the Approach
Method 1: Sequential Reading with Switching
In this method, the learner reads one book until encountering difficulty, boredom, or a block. The learner then switches to another book and returns later.
For example, a learner may reach chapter 4 of the Vivarium Novum Athenaze. The author identifies this chapter as a common point of difficulty. The narrative is hard to follow, and new paragraphs do not mark changes of speaker. The learner can then switch to Logos, Alexandros, or Reading Greek. Each book presents the same material differently, so the learner recognizes some concepts and learns others. After progressing as far as possible, the learner returns to Athenaze and rereads chapter 4. The author states that the learner typically understands the chapter better on the second reading.
The author states that learners should not persist with a text that causes substantial resistance. Learners should switch to another book.
Method 2: Coordinated Study Using the Spreadsheet
In this method, the learner studies chapters in the order indicated by the spreadsheet. The learner encounters a concept in one book, then sees the same concept in other books at aligned points in the sequence. The spreadsheet includes gaps between chapters, which allow time for consolidation.
The author notes that the spreadsheet is version 1.0 and may change. The author also notes that Athenaze chapter 10 may be a better point than chapter 1 for the accusative singular, because Logos introduces that case later.
The author states that the method requires learners to reread material and to consult grammar explanations when available. The author recommends the grammar explanations in Athenaze and the Reading Greek grammar supplement. Learners will need ancient Greek dictionaries for unfamiliar vocabulary. The author notes that Greek Boy at Home includes brief definitions in Greek and some English glosses in its appendix.
Assessment of the Approach
The author states that the approach is not efficient. The author states that it is effective. Learners who use several books may need years to complete the sequence. The author expects that readers will achieve reading fluency by completing the combined material, because the books together fill gaps that a single textbook leaves open.
The author attributes the original idea to Jonathan Roberts, who proposed that students read the first chapter of every book each week. The author states that this proposal proved impractical in a classroom. Books follow different sequences, and students could not process the input across all of them at once. The author states that the author's own experience of reading multiple books confirmed Roberts's basic idea.
Introduction
Introduces the goal of becoming a fluent reader of ancient Greek as an autodidact and argues that a single textbook is insufficient because each lacks enough input.
- Speaker argues that no single book gives enough input to acquire the language.
- Proposes reading multiple books at the same time, which he calls the Jonathan Roberts approach.
- Promises two ways to apply the approach.
Athenaze
Athenaze (English and Italian/Vivarium Novum editions) is praised as a continuous narrative with graded readers and cultural material, but criticized for grammar-translation elements, glosses, and its Italian edition's reliance on Italian.
- Athenaze is a continuous narrative in two volumes with graded readers reaching Aristophanes by end of book two.
- The original English version uses glosses and grammatical explanations, still training translation.
- The Vivarium Novum (Italian) edition adds roughly eight extra pages per chapter and pictures, but the illustrations can be ambiguous.
- Apodosis/Apodosis-like companion volumes contain extracts from Aesop, Menander, Herodotus and others.
- Speaker states the Athenaze series lacks enough repetition of new vocabulary.
Lingua Latina Comparison
Lingua Latina (Familia Romana) is presented as the gold standard for Latin acquisition, written entirely in Latin, and the speaker says the same method is what ancient Greek needs.
- Lingua Latina by Hans Ørberg is written entirely in Latin with no English or other languages.
- The story follows a boyfriend and girlfriend, with the girl making him buy her a ring in chapter 8.
- Speaker considers it the gold standard for language acquisition and useful for autodidacts with motivation and time.
- The Vivarium Novum edition of Athenaze was modeled on Ørberg's approach.
Ancient Language Institute Sponsorship
Ancient Language Institute courses are promoted as direct-method instruction with a teacher; the speaker mentions a registration deadline and summer classes in Latin and Old English.
- Ancient Language Institute uses the direct method with auditory and interactive input.
- Registration deadline mentioned is April 13th for summer term beginner classes in Latin and Old English.
- The books are included in the tuition, according to the speaker.
- This segment is sponsored promotional content for the Ancient Language Institute.
Alexandros and Mythologica
Alexandros (Cultura Clásica) is a short, clearly illustrated, all-Greek text that works well for learners who already know the basics, with a companion Mythologica book. Speaker discloses he edited for Cultura Clásica and received a free copy.
- Alexandros is published by Cultura Clásica and is all in ancient Greek with no English explanations.
- Its companion is Mythologica, a set of short mythological stories.
- Speaker received a colorized edition of Alexandros for free because of editing work he did for Cultura Clásica.
- Alexandros is based on Rouse's Greek Boy at Home.
- The Mythologica book suggests reading after chapter 4 of Alexandros, but speaker says chapter 6 is the realistic starting point.
Rouse's Greek Boy at Home
Rouse's Greek Boy at Home is a graded reader from the grammar-translation tradition, much more sophisticated than Alexandros, and is best for those who already know Greek.
- Rouse's Greek Boy at Home is a graded reader tied to Rouse's grammar book.
- Rouse advocated using Greek in the classroom and wrote readers for Greek and Latin.
- Its sophistication far exceeds Alexandros, with no pictures.
Reading Greek
Reading Greek has adapted readings from Aristophanes, Plato and Euripides and a grammar companion, but still requires prior knowledge and translation-based understanding.
- Reading Greek has an accompanying grammar book.
- Its readings are adapted from Aristophanes, Plato and Euripides.
- The speaker says the book requires the reader to already know basic ancient Greek.
- Vocabulary is glossed in the first chapter but acquisition only happens after repeated reading.
Thus
Thus (Thus/Thus-style dialogue reader) is an entertaining graded reader with dialogue, where a child is taken through Hades by Hermes; the font is very small and the grammar is minimal.
- The first chapter features a child named Tros approached by Hermes.
- Hermes says Zeus has sent him to take the child through Hades to learn about mythology and heroes.
- The book has grammar but only as review, so prior grammar knowledge is needed.
- Font size is very small in the introductory book.
- Thus incorporates original Homer and is useful for supplementary reading.
Ancient Greek Alive
Ancient Greek Alive is praised as the friendliest grammar textbook with scripts for classroom conversation and short graded readings, presenting grammar in a userfriendly way.
- Includes classroom conversation scripts in the pre-chapter.
- Introduces contract verbs in a non-contract way at first, which the speaker found helpful.
- Includes short passages to read from the beginning, with glosses given along the way.
- Readings get longer and harder; references to the Thesaurus in the back with texts from Heraclitus, the Bible and gravestone inscriptions.
- Speaker recommends starting Ancient Greek Alive around anchor A in the coordinated sequence.
Logos
Logos (Cultura Clásica, second edition) is described as a major advance for elementary Greek with colorful images and graded grammar, but it lacks macrons (long vowel marks), which the speaker considers a major flaw.
- Logos is a 2023-era book from Cultura Clásica with colorful pictures and all-Greek instruction.
- The first chapter covers gods, beasts and humans, with names like Dionysus, Hephaestus, Apollo, Zeus and Hermes.
- Logos teaches declensions one at a time, the same progression the speaker used in his videos.
- Logos lacks macrons (phonetic vowel length marks), which the speaker says are essential for correct grammar and spelling.
- Speaker submitted macron corrections to the second edition and offers to help for a third edition.
- Speaker received the second edition of Logos and the first edition of exercises from Cultura Clásica as thanks for editing.
Two Ways to Apply the Approach
Speaker proposes two methods: reading one book until blocked and switching, and coordinating books by grammar concepts using a spreadsheet of anchors so concepts reinforce each other.
- First method: read one book until blocked, then switch to another and return later, like climbing a mountain.
- Second method: coordinate books in a spreadsheet by grammatical anchors (participles, aorist, subjunctive, optative, perfect).
- Anchors include third-person singular verbs, verbs in all persons, participles (chapter 18 of Logos and chapter 8 of Athenaze), aorist, subjunctive, optative and perfect.
- Spreadsheet is publicly available on Google Sheets, linked in the video description.
- Speaker says the approach is effective but not efficient and will take years.